Don't Feed The Lion: Bianna Golodryga and Yonit Levi | EP615 | The Dr. Phil Podcast

In this episode, Dr. Phil sits down with award-winning journalists Bianna Golodryga and Yonit Levi to discuss their groundbreaking middle-grade novel, Don't Feed the Lion. The book serves as a vital tool for families and educators to address antisemitism, bullying, and bias with children before these prejudices take root.

The authors share how the tragic events of October 7th and the subsequent global rise in antisemitism catalyzed their writing. They explain why they chose a fictional narrative format over a didactic guide, aiming to engage young readers through relatable characters and real-world scenarios.

Dr. Phil and his guests explore the psychology of early prejudice and the critical role adults play in confronting hate. They emphasize the importance of giving children "word power" and practical tools to speak up, rather than freeze, when encountering bias online or in their classrooms.

Key takeaways

• Children as young as eight are highly aware of global events and encounter bias online and in classrooms.
• A fictional narrative can be more effective than a didactic textbook for teaching empathy and addressing complex topics like antisemitism.
• Adults, including educators and coaches, must firmly address prejudice rather than sweeping incidents under the rug.
• Providing children with 'word power' and roleplaying scenarios helps prevent them from freezing when facing bullying or hate.
• Allyship and open communication between different cultural and religious groups are essential to dismantling early prejudice.

Highlights

• 0:02:25 — The lack of resources for young readers on antisemitism
• 0:05:53 — How children perceive global hate and antisemitism
• 0:14:21 — The failure of university leadership and elite campuses
• 0:24:21 — Why everyday adults must not ignore biased remarks
• 0:27:17 — Using roleplay to give children the tools to respond
• 0:40:14 — The power of early cross-cultural communication

00:00:00 Introducing Bianna Golodryga and Yonit Levi
00:03:03 The Inspiration Behind Don't Feed the Lion
00:06:43 The Global Rise of Modern Antisemitism
00:13:48 Addressing Hate in Middle-Grade Literature
00:19:04 Why Fiction Works Better Than Instruction
00:24:14 The Critical Role of Adults and Educators
00:27:17 Building Word Power and Roleplaying Solutions
00:32:54 The Personal Impact of Writing the Book
00:35:32 Overcoming Challenges to Publish the Novel
00:39:22 Educating the Next Generation Against Bias

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